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Post by firesblood on Nov 14, 2008 14:06:01 GMT -6
Okay, so lately there have been a few things that piss me off. I'm a very easy going, fun loving person who has a problem with being addicted to caffiene (your standard modern teenager despite the fact that I haven't been a teenager for two years now).
I love reading and writing. I love writing so much, that I have actually written a fantasy novel that is in it's first editing stages. This is why I love roleplaying. I take new characters that I will write about in my stories, and play them so I can see how they would react when in certain situations. Roleplaying is a writing and creativity study for me. I love it.
Now, as most of you probebly have, I have read the Twilight series by Stephanie Meyer. I loved it. Granted, there are a few setbacks as far as I'm concerned. There are certain things in the book that I'm not happy about. For instance, Edward is a control freak. A MAJOR control freak. I can understand why he would be. After 100 years of being lonely, he falls in love with one of the most accident prone mortals in the known world. It doesn't excuse it, though. Aside from the fact that the book isn't exactly well written (though I can hardly complain because I can't say I'm any better) and there is generally no real plot, I still love the series and I read it quite oftan. I've even got my mother addicted to it.
No, what has me in a beef is not the series itself, but the fangirls that devote themselves to it.
They are everywhere. I'm not talking about the girls and women that love it, because I am one. No, I'm talking about the 'OMG-Edward-isn't-fake-he's-real' obsessive fangirls. I go onto Deviant art to look for avatars, and there is nothing but Twilight related crap, and not even funny or original stuff. It's all 'Edward be my boyfriend' or 'Edward is my boyfriend' or some other shit like that. HELL! I was excited to see a fucking avatar that had something to do with ALICE! BECAUSE IT WAS A CHANGE OF PACE!
Then I found the perfect avatar that fit my feelings. It read:
"I miss the days when this section of art wasn't all Edward Cullen."
THANK YOU WHOEVER CREATED THAT!
Now, some of you on this sight might be obsessive over the twilight series, and I don't mean to offend, but Jezuz!
Let me define Fiction to you:
fic·tion (fkshn) n. 1. a. An imaginative creation or a pretense that does not represent actuality but has been invented. b. The act of inventing such a creation or pretense. 2. A lie. 3. a. A literary work whose content is produced by the imagination and is not necessarily based on fact. b. The category of literature comprising works of this kind, including novels and short stories. 4. Law Something untrue that is intentionally represented as true by the narrator.
That is the definition of fiction. Read it again if you will.
Okay. Good. Now, Stephanie has repeatedly been telling fans that the book is FICTIONAL. The world she created doesn't exist, the characters do not exist. Know what that means? EDWARD DOES NOT EXIST! JACOB DOES NOT EXIST! BELLA DOES NOT EXIST! NONE OF THEM EXIST!
So stop looking over your damn shoulder for a sparkly fucking vampire with bronze hair. Stop letting this obsessive feeling that he's watching you rule your life and start acting like yourself again instead of what you think 'Edward' would be attracted too. He is not your boyfriend. He will never be your boyfriend.
And frankly, if I had a boyfriend that acted like he did, Vampire or not, I'd break the hell up with him because that is not the basis of a healthy relationship. NO, it is NOT.
Please, please, please for the love of all that's holy grow some common sense!
Okay I'm done.
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Post by admin on Nov 15, 2008 13:43:59 GMT -6
All right, so I didn't quite read that whole rant (just in case of spoilers because I kinda plan on reading Twilight), but I see where you're coming from.
So many scary Edward fangirls. My mother is currently reading Twilight (yeah, scary, I know) and she's been raving about it.
God help us all. =P
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Post by powerviolence on Nov 16, 2008 21:25:31 GMT -6
Okay, dannii reporting in with two cents:
First and foremost - I tried to read Twilight, I really did. I got about a chapter into the first book and had to put it down. Stephanie Meyer is a terrible writer; there, I said it. Just like the kid who wrote Eragon/or whatever that series is; I'm not sure how they manage to get this stuff published.
Second; Stephanie Meyer SLAUGHTERED vampires. Does any remember the good old days when vampires didn't embarass you? C'mon, people; they don't SPARKLE. They step out into the sunlight and they die, it's as simple as that. I'm a little bit frustrated that teenagers are going to grow up thinking that vampires are friendly, highschool prepsters who glimmer and devoutly chase after mortal women. What happened to the glory days of Anne Rice, for example? THOSE were vampires - dark, beautiful, terribly conflicted beings!
I refuse to read the rest of the series because it actually makes me that angry and I'm seriously debating some hate propaganda at the movie's premiere in my city.
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Post by theemeraldfaerie on Nov 16, 2008 22:35:01 GMT -6
I agree whole-heartedly.
I enjoyed Twilight to an extent. I just tried to forget they were vampires. The series took me all of a weekend to read, but I can't say I'll ever pick it up again.
Dannii, you had me in stitches. Thank you.
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Post by powerviolence on Nov 16, 2008 22:44:44 GMT -6
You're welcome, love. I aim to please, etc. Besides, I just think it was a pretty terrible book.
AND I JUST REALIZED:
That there were Twilight adverts over top the site directly after my first post and I wanted to put my fist through the internet...
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Post by kaya on Nov 17, 2008 8:10:10 GMT -6
Mature language used below. <3
FUCK TWILIGHT!
Now, since that's out of my system~ I think you either love the series or you hate it. I am one of the many, many, many people who hate it. And I hate it for more than one reason. I'm like a better writer then Stephanie Meyer--she based the entire series off a stupid dumb dream that she had! DJKLSAJDKL! What kills me is that I've met thirteen year olds that are better than her. BETTER! THIRTEEN YEAR OLDS ARE BETTER!
Dude, and you know what else? People are calling that woman the Next Rowling. THE NEXT ROWLING! Can you believe that? I mean I am not the same Potter obsessor that I used to be but she was an awesome writer that actually seemed to plan things out instead of pulling the plots out of her ass.
A thing about vampires; I don't do them. Anne Rice is the only real modern writer that kept vampires a little similar to how they were "supposed" to be. Did you ever notice that vampires were dark beings? Originally, they look like moving corpses---MMM DECAY! Deacy with rot on their bodies and mold and all sorts of other disgusting things. <3
YES!
Another thing. Since vampires are technically dead that means they don't have blood. Which means they can't get a woodie because there's no blood flow down there. Which means Bella can't get pregnant! Oh. and that sparks another thing. I goggled what went on and had one of my friends that lols at the book tell me what happened so we have something to rant about--and all the fan girls are like; OMG THE PREGNANCY WAS SO SWEET~
Last time I checked having an Alien type baby pop out of your stomach and organs wasn't beautiful! I mean what the heck is wrong with everybody? Oh and then there's, LOL I'M IN LOVE WITH A FETUS!
Twilight's invaded everywhere I turn. At the mall where I do my Christmas shopping whenever I'd pass Hot Topic. At the store I work at with the pregnant unwed teenaged mothers naming their children Edward and Bella--I'm totally not joking! On photobucket where I put up my pictures by Katy Towell--there's a woman who deserves to get published! There's a woman who deserves notaraity~ *Pokes at Emmeline and Mr. Ceazil*.
I think that the woman just like thought of things that would work, copied The LIttle Vampire---that's what I thought of when I heard of him being a "vegeterian" does that mean he might eat vegan people later on? Yes, he should. And I think that's my two cents.
Okay, I love you byebye!
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Post by firesblood on Nov 17, 2008 14:54:49 GMT -6
LOL!!! There are a lot of people who hate Twilight. I think that's perfectly fine. No, there is no plot. Yes, the writing is not particularly good. At all. Edward has split-personality-disorder, Jacobs a sixteen year old idiot who thinks with what's in his pants, Bella...oh god don't get me started on her. There are a lot of things I hate about it.
Many think that she butchered the Vampire. I believe you are all entitled to your opinions and I think it's true. I also respect her ORIGINAL idea. There are so many vampire books with the good old fashioned kind of Vampires. She took a risk and created a completely different Vampire. Yes, it sparkles. Yes, it's body is a fuckin rock. All that other stuff. It's not so much the idea and description that I appreciate so much as the Originality of making something new out of something old and overwritten.
-shrug- That's about it. I think it's stupid that they sparkle, don't have pointy teeth and are rocks. but nobody in the world has had that idea but her, dream idea or not, and that's about the only original thing in those books.
Unfortunately, It's still my guilty pleasure.
And No. Stephenie is most definately NOT the next Rowling. Rowling is a complete Genius who had a steady building climaxing plot that got thicker and thicker with each book. Twilight....nada.
I don't know if anyone will be the next Rowling.
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Post by powerviolence on Nov 17, 2008 17:42:11 GMT -6
You see, I accept the fact that she was attempting to do something original but let's let sleeping dogs lay, shall we? Vampire lore has an incredible fan base and her attempt to shake it up is screwing everyone pretty hard. All I'm going to say on the subject is this:
Vampires: should not be fucked with.Period.
Edward Cullen:
- doesn't have pointy teeth - doesn't even need them because he doesn't drink blood? - is over bearing and domineering - is crushing hard over a woman with no substance - doesn't die when he steps out into sunlight - happens to be drop dead gorgeous in a non-decaying way - is built like a fucking anchor
.. Wait a second! Do any of these sound like the traits of a vampire to you? No, no... In fact, they sound a lot like this guy that I used to date. Hey! That means EDWARD CULLEN IS A REGULAR, TEENAGE BOY.... Not a vampire.
... Or maybe it means that I WAS DATING EDWARD CULLEN at one point!
Holy shit stacks! I was living the dream.
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Post by phantomlover369 on Nov 22, 2008 11:17:56 GMT -6
I love Twilight. We went out at midnight to go see it in theaters the other night. That being said, I agree with the haters that she seriously played around with the vampire recipe. But I shrugged it off, because as was already pointed out, this is fiction. Fiction can be anything unreal, basically.
I've tried writing with vamps, too. I try to stick more with the general image of the vampire: dark, drinker of human blood, bound to the night, fangs - all that. But it's still open to some interpretation. Just not quite to the point that Meyer took it to.
(Black Dagger Brotherhood makes me happy. Just to let you know. More oddly-interpretated vamp stories. With twenty times the mature content of Twilight. And these bad-asses don't sparkle, either.)
So I see both sides. Yes, vamps have been the same for centuries for a reason. Yes, I think all those obsessive fangurls should take a breathing treatment and accept that fact that Edward's not real, even if they live in Forks. No, I don't think everyone should hate on Meyers for screwing with the formula. It's her take, and it apparently worked for her. But I see where the haters come from.
^^ - Storm
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Post by admin on Nov 22, 2008 15:22:41 GMT -6
all right. so i read twilight...in two days, actually.
i thought it was a little on the cheesy side...the main plot being some blood thirsty vampire who randomly decides to kill her. it was a bit out of the blue. personally, i thought the beginning was a little boring.
stephanie meyer isn't a bad writer, but she isn't amazing. she's smart, i'd say...hooking teenage girls by creating the ideal male. i think the sparkling vampires was rather ridiculous but creative.
all in all, it wasn't a horrible book. it wasn't a fantastic book. it was mediocre. it's not one of the best books i've ever read, but it wasn't the worst either.
not worth bashing. not worth obsessing over.
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Post by egalitarian on Nov 22, 2008 21:00:55 GMT -6
I read Twilight--but none of the rest of the series--and I was fairly disappointed. I am a lover of sci-fi and, to a lesser extent, fantasy; there was quite a but of hype surrounding this book, so I figured it hat to be decent at worse. I was so incredibly wrong. Bella has no substance--none. She's pretty; her NAME means 'beautiful'. Edward is everyone's ideal boy, the only twist is he is a vampire. Not even a good vampire - he walks in daylight, he doesn't drink human blood, we all know his flaws. The only PLOT is that there is a halfway decent vampire out to do what vampires do.
My biggest problem with the book is that the literary community tried so hard to leave the perfect, generic characters for so long, and the twilight phenomena brought us back 25 years.
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Post by storeboughtcake on Nov 25, 2008 19:58:16 GMT -6
I like the Twilight series. I too think it was quite brave of her to show a new side of a traditional story.
However I feel like punching very fan girl in the face. Sure. The series was good but come on? Is it necessary to go any further? I once new a girl who actually believed she was Bella and she called her boyfriend Edward O.o It was quite scary to see someone so far away from reality all because of a simple book. I don't understand why so many people went mental over this book and not over the so many others that could have been picked but hey...what can you do?
I liked the plot with how Jacob and Edward both love Bella though because Jacob reminds me of one of my best friends. We went through the same thing that Jacob and Bella went through and it felt good to read about someone who was going through the same thing as me.
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